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		<title>By: June Preserving Ideas &#171; Well Preserved</title>
		<link>http://wellpreserved.ca/2010/06/04/using-brown-sugar-and-honey-to-make-jam/#comment-13261</link>
		<dc:creator>June Preserving Ideas &#171; Well Preserved</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Sugar &#8211; replacing it with honey or brown sugar. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Crafty-Ass Witch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; There are no stupid questions, just people who refuse to google</title>
		<link>http://wellpreserved.ca/2010/06/04/using-brown-sugar-and-honey-to-make-jam/#comment-13260</link>
		<dc:creator>Crafty-Ass Witch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; There are no stupid questions, just people who refuse to google</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all of the rings off the jars I put in my pantry after our move. Also, Joel has a really helpful post about using alternate sugars while staying pectin free in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://wellpreserved.ca/2010/06/04/using-brown-sugar-and-honey-to-make-jam/#comment-13259</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know unfortunately - we buy our maple syrup in the middle of the forest (literally) off the back of an ATV from a friend...it&#039;s undeniably romantic but things like labels, grades and uniform bottles are non-existent (we actually recycle old rye bottles for this purpose).  It is very, very dark and very very good.  I would definately use your dark stuff in jam.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know unfortunately &#8211; we buy our maple syrup in the middle of the forest (literally) off the back of an ATV from a friend&#8230;it&#8217;s undeniably romantic but things like labels, grades and uniform bottles are non-existent (we actually recycle old rye bottles for this purpose).  It is very, very dark and very very good.  I would definately use your dark stuff in jam.  <img src='http://wellpreserved.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://wellpreserved.ca/2010/06/04/using-brown-sugar-and-honey-to-make-jam/#comment-13258</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 15:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering, what grade of maple syrup did you use?  I&#039;ve managed to get my hands on a fair bit of the REALLY dark stuff (which I love), and I was thinking it might be interesting in a jam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering, what grade of maple syrup did you use?  I&#8217;ve managed to get my hands on a fair bit of the REALLY dark stuff (which I love), and I was thinking it might be interesting in a jam.</p>
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		<title>By: frankifries</title>
		<link>http://wellpreserved.ca/2010/06/04/using-brown-sugar-and-honey-to-make-jam/#comment-13257</link>
		<dc:creator>frankifries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Joel.  Im going to try a small batch of cherry jam with palm sugar.  Ill report back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Joel.  Im going to try a small batch of cherry jam with palm sugar.  Ill report back</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://wellpreserved.ca/2010/06/04/using-brown-sugar-and-honey-to-make-jam/#comment-13256</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 12:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smiles, good points all...

Local, so true re safety vs longevity and you are absolutely right.  I sometimes bumble words :).  When I started preserving, like many, I feared killing people with botulism.  Now, using cleanliness and knowing what I`m doing, I have few worries on true `safety.`  When I think of safety now it`s not in context of physical but rather than `safer than sorry` in trying not to lose a batch. :)

I suspect the saftey guidelines we are all given are overly cautious; your evidence of sugar reduction further supports that as does our experimentation with different things here.  As mentioned earlier, I know a Woman in Italy who uses methods considered unsafe in North America - i.e. she does tomato sauce in any bottle she can find (including old beer and pop bottles) and seals them with wax.  She has done it this way for her entire life and laughs that one would do it any other way.

According to Joy of Cooking (not exactly the bible on preserving but had a good section in the revised edition), sugar reacts with pectin to create the set.  I think I`ll do (and share) some experiements in coming weeks - I`ll cook some pectin with nothing added and cook another batch with sugar and see what happes `tween the two.  :)  If you`ve ever eaten pectin as-is (I taste everything that goes into a jar), it becomes obvious that most are jarringly bitter and need more sugar as well.

Good discussion guys, really excited to learn more about pectin now - even though it`s something i rarely add to a batch.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smiles, good points all&#8230;</p>
<p>Local, so true re safety vs longevity and you are absolutely right.  I sometimes bumble words <img src='http://wellpreserved.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  When I started preserving, like many, I feared killing people with botulism.  Now, using cleanliness and knowing what I`m doing, I have few worries on true `safety.`  When I think of safety now it`s not in context of physical but rather than `safer than sorry` in trying not to lose a batch. <img src='http://wellpreserved.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I suspect the saftey guidelines we are all given are overly cautious; your evidence of sugar reduction further supports that as does our experimentation with different things here.  As mentioned earlier, I know a Woman in Italy who uses methods considered unsafe in North America &#8211; i.e. she does tomato sauce in any bottle she can find (including old beer and pop bottles) and seals them with wax.  She has done it this way for her entire life and laughs that one would do it any other way.</p>
<p>According to Joy of Cooking (not exactly the bible on preserving but had a good section in the revised edition), sugar reacts with pectin to create the set.  I think I`ll do (and share) some experiements in coming weeks &#8211; I`ll cook some pectin with nothing added and cook another batch with sugar and see what happes `tween the two.  <img src='http://wellpreserved.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   If you`ve ever eaten pectin as-is (I taste everything that goes into a jar), it becomes obvious that most are jarringly bitter and need more sugar as well.</p>
<p>Good discussion guys, really excited to learn more about pectin now &#8211; even though it`s something i rarely add to a batch.  <img src='http://wellpreserved.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 12:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It`s a good question re Palm Sugar...I can`t see why not but that`s a pure hunch as I have no experience with it whatsoever..  has anyone else here tried it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It`s a good question re Palm Sugar&#8230;I can`t see why not but that`s a pure hunch as I have no experience with it whatsoever..  has anyone else here tried it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: local kitchen</title>
		<link>http://wellpreserved.ca/2010/06/04/using-brown-sugar-and-honey-to-make-jam/#comment-13254</link>
		<dc:creator>local kitchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI sugar content does not affect jam safety; only longevity of storage.  I&#039;m not quite sure how granulated sugar affects the final pH of a jam, but I assume there is no significant affects as there are plenty of jam recipes out there with weight:weight fruit-to-sugar ratios. I would guess that any granulated sugar is safe (I almost never use white, refined sugar, but mostly raw/turbinado in my jams).  

I know that honey has a pH of about 3.2 - 4.5 (so safely under the magic 4.6 pH for safe canning) so when used in conjunction with acidic fruits it should be perfectly safe for canning.

FWIW in nearly every preserve in which I use sugar, I cut the amount way, WAY down from published recipes.  The affects on yield and texture can be dramatic, but I&#039;ve not had an issue with spoilage at all; some of my jams are going strong after 2 years.  I believe that the sugar is more important as a preservative if you do NOT water-bath process your jams, because sugar inhibits the growth of microorganisms that would be killed in a boiling water-bath.

Gloria - I agree, the more pectin needs more sugar relationship is baffling to me; I would expect the opposite. But I always think of apples; without sugar, it is impossible to make an apple jam - you just make applesauce, followed by apple butter.  You need the sugar to make it jammy.  However, cook down strawberries for long enough and you have jam - even if you don&#039;t add any other ingredient.  Weird, but there it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI sugar content does not affect jam safety; only longevity of storage.  I&#8217;m not quite sure how granulated sugar affects the final pH of a jam, but I assume there is no significant affects as there are plenty of jam recipes out there with weight:weight fruit-to-sugar ratios. I would guess that any granulated sugar is safe (I almost never use white, refined sugar, but mostly raw/turbinado in my jams).  </p>
<p>I know that honey has a pH of about 3.2 &#8211; 4.5 (so safely under the magic 4.6 pH for safe canning) so when used in conjunction with acidic fruits it should be perfectly safe for canning.</p>
<p>FWIW in nearly every preserve in which I use sugar, I cut the amount way, WAY down from published recipes.  The affects on yield and texture can be dramatic, but I&#8217;ve not had an issue with spoilage at all; some of my jams are going strong after 2 years.  I believe that the sugar is more important as a preservative if you do NOT water-bath process your jams, because sugar inhibits the growth of microorganisms that would be killed in a boiling water-bath.</p>
<p>Gloria &#8211; I agree, the more pectin needs more sugar relationship is baffling to me; I would expect the opposite. But I always think of apples; without sugar, it is impossible to make an apple jam &#8211; you just make applesauce, followed by apple butter.  You need the sugar to make it jammy.  However, cook down strawberries for long enough and you have jam &#8211; even if you don&#8217;t add any other ingredient.  Weird, but there it is.</p>
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		<title>By: frankifries</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankifries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is so timely. Do you think that I can use Palm Sugar?  Its mostly sucrose, very little fructose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is so timely. Do you think that I can use Palm Sugar?  Its mostly sucrose, very little fructose.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more pectin = more sugar thing messes with my head! I can&#039;t quite get to grips with it. Have you had any experience using a refractometer? If you make jam to sell, certainly in the UK, you have to state the sugar content on the label, which means not just the sugar added but that combined with the sugar content of the fruit as well. To do this you need a refractometer to take the reading and it must be 60% or higher. Also jam makers who have this special instrument can test their jam is ready by using it. I am only just starting down this road, so am learning about it, but would love more feedback from someone who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more pectin = more sugar thing messes with my head! I can&#8217;t quite get to grips with it. Have you had any experience using a refractometer? If you make jam to sell, certainly in the UK, you have to state the sugar content on the label, which means not just the sugar added but that combined with the sugar content of the fruit as well. To do this you need a refractometer to take the reading and it must be 60% or higher. Also jam makers who have this special instrument can test their jam is ready by using it. I am only just starting down this road, so am learning about it, but would love more feedback from someone who knows.</p>
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